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Huan Yi
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0 posted 2005-02-05 06:54 AM


“CARACAS, Venezuela — Hugo Chavez, the left-wing leader who is moving toward totalitarian rule at home in Venezuela and backing guerrilla movements in the region, could become a test for the new Bush administration.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146472,00.html


The majority want him.  If they want a dictator, suspension
of some or all liberties in exchange for some land and a share
of the wealth at the expense of a minority, so long as it’s
within their own country, what is that to us?

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Denise
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1 posted 2005-02-05 10:37 AM


I don't think freedom or tyranny ever really stays within its own borders, John. They both have a tendency to affect surrounding areas, and in this global age, even more than just the immediate surrounding areas.
Huan Yi
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2 posted 2005-02-05 12:10 PM



Denise,

Be that as it may, he is popular with the majority,
however deluded they may be.   If they are happy
with bread and circuses, then hail Caesar.  If Columbia
has a problem with that, let Columbia march.  As for us,
life is good.


Aenimal
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3 posted 2005-02-05 01:27 PM


Be that as it may, he is popular with the majority,however deluded they may be

yup. a disease haunting many places

CIA is cuurently training Columbian troops, Columbia will do the dirty work and deal with Chavez

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4 posted 2005-02-05 01:52 PM


I really don't understand the level of anxiety coming from the government about Chavez.

Venezuela has spoken. Chavez has been democratically elected in two elections and through six referndums. In 1998, their people elected Chavez in a landslide. In 2000, he was democratically elected again with a majority of the vote. In April 2002, the U.S backed up opponents of Chavez to coup him, but the people put him back in power after two days. And last year, with the referendum up, the people democratically voted by a majority to keep him in office.

It saddens me to see others can't accept that. And right after the 2000 election here, those who truly believed there was voting fraud, and there was quite a lot of reasonable evidence to back up and support that argument, those criticizing the election were labeled as "whiners" and told repeatedly to "get over it".

If the citizens of Venezuela really want Chavez to remain in power, and it's done in a democratic fashion, then we should be welcoming and accepting that. I certainly hope Venezuela doesn't become a totalitarian state as some are worried about, and those who think less of Chavez will be represented in their country, but those who can't accept that Chavez is their democratically elected leader after two elections and six referndums are really complaining. The right thing they should be concerned about is seeing that they do have representation in their society.

I'm not sure exactly why the United States is so adamant about throwing out a peoples president. I imagine it's most likely one of the following, perhaps even all these theories:

1) Because of the opinions and stances he shares with Fidel Castro?

2) Because the United States gets 13% of their oil from Venezuela

3) Because our government insists to fight this war on drugs which Chavez is reluctant to

4) Because they are intimidated by the Simon Bolivar vision of a united Latin America

Condoleezza Rice can say all she want about his rule being "very deeply troubling". But the fact is, it's a democratically charged rule.

Anyway, next year especially will be a very tumultuous time for Latin America, when Colombia has their 2006 elections, which Uribe is up for re-election. Colombia is perhaps just as polarized, if not more, than the U.S is right now.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

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